========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 12:23:18 CDT Reply-To: James Do Sender: "TEI-L: Text Encoding Initiative public discussion list" From: James Do Subject: Query on registering new character entities for ISO 8879 This is a query in regards to registering character entities in the Latin-based Vietnamese writing system, for use with SGML and TEI. Recently, the document TCVN 5712:1993 (VSCII) was approved as the 8-bit national character encoding standard (and registered by ECMA as ISO IR-180). This standard contain 107 Latin letters and combining marks beyond those already defined in ASCII and ISO 8859-1 (Latin 1). Please let me know the naming conventions and procedure for registering these additional character entities for use with ISO 8879 (SGML). Thanks in advance for your help. Regards, James Do James_Do@MentorG.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 00:22:46 CDT Reply-To: John Price-Wilkin Sender: "TEI-L: Text Encoding Initiative public discussion list" From: John Price-Wilkin Subject: tag and captions We're working with materials that have illustrations and, where we can, we're capturing the illustrations as TIFF, etc. graphics. We'd like to signal the existence of the illustrations in the text and it looks like is the right tag for this. (I believe that is treated in a chapter that hasn't been released yet, so I'm hoping that I'm on the right track with the use of this.) Using the typical attributes, I have a couple of scenarios for use. One would use the "id" attribute for the general entity representing the graphic file (e.g., foo.jpg), while using the "n" attribute for a caption. For example, I wonder if "id" is the appropriate attribute for something like this, esp. when we would probably also want to assign an ID value to the tag. In a second scenario, we lose the use of "n" for the caption and use "n" for the graphic file name, and a

for the caption:

here lies foo

One of the first problems we encounter with using the "n" value for captions is that many captions are extensive -- frequently more than 256 chars. What seems disappointing about

is that the material, as a caption, has a very specific character. For example, it should have a significant link to the (target?) and the caption was probably be supplied by someone other than the author (?). I'd appreciate advice on how to treat these illustrations and their captions. John -- John Price-Wilkin Systems Librarian for Information Services Phone: 804.924.6082 Systems Office Fax: 804.924.4337 Alderman Library jpwilkin@virginia.edu University of Virginia jpw@sansfoy.lib.virginia.edu NeXTMail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 21:25:34 CDT Reply-To: sjd@ebt.com Sender: "TEI-L: Text Encoding Initiative public discussion list" From: sjd@ebt.com Subject: Re: tag and captions Captions and entity identifiers are not best placed in the id and n attributes, because that is not what either of them is. SGML provides a mechanism for referring to entities in external notations, via attributes with declared value ENTITY. That way it can actually *check* that the attribute value is the name of a real entity that has been declared with the appropriate identifiers and notation specifications. This type is different from ID; putting the filename on the ID attribute does not accurately communicate what's going on, and does not take advantage of SGML's capabilities. The tagging for graphics and other media, which I drafted a while back though which has probably improved since under the hands of our editors, provides an attribute for this purpose. It also, if I remember correctly, provide for captions as a sub-element. As you pointed out in your posting, captions can easily grow too large to manage as attributes; they can also have internal structure, such as embedded foreign words, emphasis, titles, footnotes, and the like. I don't have the current draft at the moment, but it will look more like: (in the DTD): (in the declaration subset): (in the document):

A picture of a boat
See Herwijnen, Brian, or Goldfarb for the gory details on notations and entity attributes, etc. Steve DeRose ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 13:40:09 CDT Reply-To: Don Hosek Sender: "TEI-L: Text Encoding Initiative public discussion list" From: Don Hosek Subject: Re: tag and captions Regarding captions, a common mark-up mistake is to confuse a caption with a legend. A caption should be short, no more than a sentence or two. The lengthy "caption" is really a legend. This is one of the design flaws in LaTeX 2.09. I'd hope that it would be avoided in TEI, but my copy is old and missing so I can't easily check. (I suppose now that I'm back in the SGML world, I could request a new copy...) -dh ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 13:40:51 CDT Reply-To: "C. M. Sperberg-McQueen" Sender: "TEI-L: Text Encoding Initiative public discussion list" From: "C. M. Sperberg-McQueen" Subject: new fascicle (drama and other performance texts) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * TEI P2 * * new fascicle now available * * Chapter DR * * Base Tag Set for Performance * * Texts (Drama, etc.) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * A new chapter of TEI P2, the second draft of the TEI Guidelines for Electronic Text Encoding and Interchange, is now available for public comment. As readers of this list will recall, TEI P2 is being distributed for comment as a series of fascicles or part-issues, each containing a complete chapter of P2, as and when the texts were available. (File TEI ED J8, "Obtaining the Second Version of the TEI Guidelines," has the details, if you have forgotten). Chapter 10 (known internally as 'DR'), defines a base tag set for use in encoding performance texts (drama, screenplays, video scripts, radio plays, etc.). Some elements for drama are already present in the TEI core tag set (speeches, speaker attribution, and stage directions), which can be used for simple dramatic texts of pseudo-dramatic passages of prose or verse texts. Chapter DR provides additional specialized elements for use in the text body (specialized stage directions for camera angles, captions, sound effects, etc.) and front and back matter (notably performance records, cast lists, prologues, and epilogues. Together with this chapter, three DTD files are being released: teidram2.ent, which defines the drama-specific portion of the TEI class system; teidram2.dtd, which provides element and attribute list declarations for all elements in the tag set, and teidrgis.dtd, which defines the parameter entities used for the generic identifiers in the tag set. We append the usual information on how to retrieve this chapter, for the convenience of subscribers. -C. M. Sperberg-McQueen Lou Burnard 18 August 1993 ----- Texts of P2 are being made available in a number of different electronic formats. These include plain screen-readable text (filetype DOC), LaTeX (filetype TEX), PostScript (filetype PS) and of course SGML (filetypes P2X and REF). In addition, together with this chapter three DTD files have been released. To get electronic copies of this fascicle from the TEI-L fileserver, all you need do is send an ordinary email note to the address LISTSERV@UICVM (or listserv@uicvm.uic.edu) containing the line GET P2DR xxx (where xxx is one of the filetypes mentioned above). The DOC and PS files include the complete fascicles; the P2X file contains only this chapter. A companion 'driver file' with the name P2DRDRIV P2X is provided, which embeds the chapter file P2DR P2X and the accompanying reference material, P2DR REF. To obtain the DTDs associated with this chapter, type GET teidram2 ent GET teidram2 dtd GET teidrgis dtd The documents you request will be returned to you automatically as e-mail messages. Beware! some of the files are quite large, and so may be delayed. You will also receive an automatic notification that the file is on its way to you. (If you receive something illegible in a 'Listserv packed format', please contact one of the editors directly to see about getting you the file in a more useful form.) The same files are available via anonymous FTP from the SGML Project at the University of Exeter. To access these files, your computer system must be on the InterNet. If it is, you should be able to give the command FTP sgml1.ex.ac.uk [ or FTP 144.173.6.61] When you are connected to the Exeter SGMLbox, type the following commands: cd tei/p2/drafts get p2dr.p2x get p2dr.doc get p2dr.ps get p2dr.ref cd ../drafts get teidram2.ent get teidram2.dtd get teidrgis.dtd (note that the filename *must* be given in all lower-case letters) The files may also be obtained from the Markup-L Listserv fileserver in Germany, and from Professor Syun Tutiya in Japan. For more details on these and other sources of TEI information, please order copies of files EDJ8 MEMO (describes how to retrieve electronic copies of TEI P2 and the various formats in which they are available) EDJ9 MEMO (describes how to request paper copies of TEI P2, for those without electronic mail access) (on the Exeter file server, get file tei/intro/edj8.doc) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 12:42:17 CDT Reply-To: "C. M. Sperberg-McQueen" Sender: "TEI-L: Text Encoding Initiative public discussion list" From: "C. M. Sperberg-McQueen" Subject: TEI P2 fascicle: SG (intro to SGML) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * TEI P2 * * New fascicle now available * * Chapter SG * * A gentle introduction to SGML * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * A new chapter of TEI P2, the second draft of the TEI Guidelines for Electronic Text Encoding and Interchange, is now available for public comment. As readers of this list will recall, TEI P2 is being distributed for comment as a series of fascicles or part-issues, each containing a complete chapter of P2, as and when the texts were available. (File TEI ED J8, "Obtaining the Second Version of the TEI Guidelines," has the details, if you have forgotten). Chapter 2 (known internally as 'SG'), provides a tutorial introduction to SGML for readers who are new to this formalism. It assumes no previous knowledge of SGML or programming languages, and covers all the basics of the language, focussing on what makes it different from other markup languages, and including all you need to know to write your own dtd -- or at least understand what's going on in ours. TEI-cognoscenti will recognize this chapter as a barely-revised revival of the chapter published under the same title in TEI P1, many years ago, when the world was a lot simpler. We thought it was such a nice chapter then it would be a shame to lose it. We append the usual information on how to retrieve this chapter, for the convenience of subscribers. -C. M. Sperberg-McQueen Lou Burnard 27 August 1993 ----- Texts of P2 are being made available in a number of different electronic formats. These include plain screen-readable text (filetype DOC), LaTeX (filetype TEX), PostScript (filetype PS) and of course SGML (filetypes P2X and REF). In addition, together with this chapter three DTD files have been released. To get electronic copies of this fascicle from the TEI-L fileserver, all you need do is send an ordinary email note to the address LISTSERV@UICVM (or listserv@uicvm.uic.edu) containing the line GET P2SG xxx (where xxx is one of the filetypes mentioned above). The DOC and PS files include the complete fascicles; the P2X file contains only this chapter. The documents you request will be returned to you automatically as e-mail messages. Beware! some of the files are quite large, and so may be delayed. You will also receive an automatic notification that the file is on its way to you. (If you receive something illegible in a 'Listserv packed format', please contact one of the editors directly to see about getting you the file in a more useful form.) The same files are available via anonymous FTP from the SGML Project at the University of Exeter. To access these files, your computer system must be on the InterNet. If it is, you should be able to give the command ftp sgml1.ex.ac.uk [ or FTP 144.173.6.61] When you are connected to the Exeter SGMLbox, type the following commands: cd tei/p2/drafts get p2sg.xxx where xxx is one of doc p2x or ps, to indicate the file type. NB: file names *must* be given in lower case letters. The files may also be obtained from the Markup-L Listserv fileserver in Germany, and from Professor Syun Tutiya in Japan. For more details on these and other sources of TEI information, please order copies of files EDJ8 MEMO (describes how to retrieve electronic copies of TEI P2 and the various formats in which they are available) EDJ9 MEMO (describes how to request paper copies of TEI P2, for those without electronic mail access) (on the Exeter file server, get file tei/intro/edj8.doc)